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HAT Forum: Funding for Higher Education

Funding for Higher Education

Introduced by Howard Gibson

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John Oliver has an episode on YouTube on Student Loans. Apparently, 43 million Americans owe money on student loans, for a total of $1.7 trillion dollars. The gross domestic product (GDP) of Australia is $1.69 trillion. Oliver interviewed a woman who took out $100K in student loans. Her montly payment is $707.74, $643.20 of which is interest. I did not hear an interest rate. I have crunched the numbers. A $100K debt costs $643.20 per month if annual interest rates are 7.5 to 8%. At $707.74 per month, the loan will be paid off in thirty years. Is this a good idea?

We need to understand how university training benefits students, and society as a whole. For most of the modern era in the USA and Canada, university education has been subsidized by taxpayers. If the benefit is entirely to the students, they should pay the full cost of their education. If society benefits, subsidies are appropriate. A number of careers are not available to people who lack university degrees.

Is university the only way to train professionals? Famous aircraft designer Clarence "Kelly" Johnson, famous for running Lockheed's Skunkworks, graduated from Universiy of Michigan with a master's degree. Ed Heinemann started at Douglas Aircraft as a draftsman in 1926, and worked his way up to Chief Engineer in 1936. Both engineers had rules for aircraft design and for running engineering departments. Johnson's are listed on his Wikipedia page. Heinemann's were up on Wikipedia at some point, but not any more. Prior to WWII, engineers took night courses to advance their knowledge. The modern internet makes this way more feasible today.

Can a physician work their way up through something like nursing, rather than going through the post-graduate training? Must a bachelor's degree be a prerequisite for training as a lawyer?

The Ontario Society of Professional Engineers (OSPE) estimates that only forty percent of engineering graduates are working in their chosen field. This discussion is a bit tricky because the engineer's societies are working to reserve the word engineer to people licenced to practise as professional engineers. We need to watch this language closely, for all the professions, not just engineering. Apparently, 75% of education graduates are teachers, 65% of law school graduates are lawyers, and 43% of business graduates work in their field, whatever that is. I am trying to wrap my head around what math graduates do. 25% of engineering graduates, and 15 to 37% of graduates in general, are classified as underemployed. They were working at jobs for which their university degrees were not required. Everybody else was doing stuff requiring a high level of intelligence, trainability, and skill.

For the record, I am a semi-retired mechanical designer. I am a Certified Engineering Technologist (C.E.T.) with a three year diploma from what was then Ryerson Polytechnical Institute. My last full-time boss is a chemical engineer with a PEng, supervising a facility that manufactures printed circuit board assemblies, and that was doing electronics box builds.

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